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yeshuap's avatar

Odysseus doesn't even escape, he is killed when Telegonus (his son by Circe) arrives at Ithaca and he charges out at his son in a rage. The effects of the Trojan War pass down generations (which also supports your argument!).

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Ben Kerry's avatar

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Foreign adventures and their consequences.

Hell, Homer even invented the first slasher film

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Ben Kerry's avatar

That's what eternal GWOT had done to American society.

It had done to Russian society with Chechnya

It had done to Iranian society with Syria

It had done to Pakistani society with Afghanistan

The only way out sometimes seemed to be... Losing foreign wars.

Losing Vietnam did more good for American democracy than everything between 1945-1968 combined

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Terrell Johnson's avatar

Now that's a super interesting perspective -- can you elaborate more on that last sentence?

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Ben Kerry's avatar

By the 60s US was well en route to an Iran like double regime. You have CIA and friends drugging random Americans for pseudoscience, FBI wiretapping everyone who look funny, race tension over the roof, and Pentagon sending men to their deaths for a war nobody understands.

It was the defeat from Vietnam that killed the American deep state.

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